Are women human?

Ene RJS (weet nie wie dit is nie) haal op Scott McKnight se Jesus Creed vir Dorothy Sayers uit die boek Are women human? aan.  My nuwe gunsteling aanhaling (jammer, Brueggemann).

Perhaps it is no wonder that women were the first at the Cradle and the last at the Cross. They had never known a man like this Man – there never has been another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, never flattered or coaxed or patronized; who never made arch jokes about them, never treated them as “The women, God help us!” or “The ladies, God bless them!”; who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension; who took their arguments seriously; who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female; who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend; who took them as he found them and was completely unself-conscious. There is no act, no sermon, no parable in the whole Gospel that borrows its pungency from female perversity; nobody could possibly guess from the words or deeds of Jesus that there was anything “funny” about woman’s nature.

/me sug salig.

Dis so mooi ek post dit sommer weer:

. . .  who never made arch jokes about them, never treated them as “The women, God help us!” or “The ladies, God bless them!”; . . .  never. . .  jeered at them for being female; . . .  nobody could possibly guess from the words or deeds of Jesus that there was anything “funny” about woman’s nature.

‘n Paar van die kommentare op die post wat ek dink gebêre moet word:

David Zimmerman:

It strikes me that this is another example of privileging the abstract in scripture over the concrete, that statements were more normative than conduct. So regardless of how many women Paul allowed to speak in church, his comment “I do not allow women to speak in church” gets taken as the final word.

rebeccat:

I and many other women have struggled with deep anger at God for putting us into these less than human bodies which relegate us to subordination and the limiting of our full capabilities in church and family settings. Fortunately, with deep study of scriptures I discovered that the female inferior, subordinate view I had been taught was not the only possible interpretation of the word.

The thing that I have often wondered at is that there is clearly the possibility of faithful interpretations of scripture which allow for full personhood and equality of women. Yes, there is also the possibility of a faithful interpretation which limits women and their role in life and church. However, given that there are legitimate arguments to be made from both sides, what compels people to look at the two arguments and insist that the only correct one is the one which limits women? What is so important about the subordination of women that even when given a solid, faithful out there are many who will not or cannot let go of the female subordinate interpretation? This I cannot understand.

En nog rebeccat:

Like your wife, I have put myself in a subordinate position by constructing a family where my husband earns money and I don’t (at least for now). However, my husband has put himself in a subordinate position by depending on me to be the primary caretaker of his children, home and money. He depends on me no less than I depend on him. As a matter of fact, when I began to come out from under a complimentarian pov, I found the idea of being subordinate or submissive repugnant because of all the baggage that had been piled onto it. However, as I watched my husband, I began to understand what Godly submission is. My husband submits to me by bringing home the money he works so hard to make and handing it over to me to manage. (A man who demanded that his wife work and give him her money to spend could well be seen as a tyrant.) My husband submits to me by letting me have my way on things that matter more to me than they do to him, even if they are not his preference. He submits to me by seeking my opinion and thoughts on things because he recognizes that in certain areas, my wisdom is usually greater than his. And he didn’t submit out of a sense of inferiority or because it was his role or job to. He didn’t do it as indulgences to me as if I were a child allowed to pick what we were having for dinner. He did it out of love, respect for the unique ways that God had equipped me and a desire to serve as a Christian ought to serve. In the end, I learned how to submit by watching my husband do it. Saying that it is uniquely the wife’s job to submit is like saying that only husbands have to love. Of course, wives need to love their husbands – just as any Christian needs to love others! So why when it comes to submission, is that the wife’s job even though we are all clearly called to submit to each other?

Okay, net nog een keer:

Perhaps it is no wonder that women were the first at the Cradle and the last at the Cross. They had never known a man like this Man – there never has been another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, never flattered or coaxed or patronized; who never made arch jokes about them, never treated them as “The women, God help us!” or “The ladies, God bless them!”; who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension; who took their arguments seriously; who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female; who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend; who took them as he found them and was completely unself-conscious. There is no act, no sermon, no parable in the whole Gospel that borrows its pungency from female perversity; nobody could possibly guess from the words or deeds of Jesus that there was anything “funny” about woman’s nature.

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2 Responses to “Are women human?”

  1. Kom vir die eerste keer op jou blog af. En is so gemotiveer hierdeur dat ek dadelik ook met een begin het. Jy is my inspirasie.

    Want soms word daar oor my gese “That woman … God help us”. Maar selde word daar gese: “Die liewe vroutjie … dankie Here!”
    Dalk is ek dan die geseende!

  2. bly ek kon jou inspireer!

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